According to the latest discovery made by Deborah Scheimer, the arrival record for the 5 children of Isruel (Samuel) Porvin at the indicates that L. Pervin, the children's uncle was still living in the town called Litin at their home country at the time of their arrival in the year in 1921.

Cindy Tobisman has identified Uncle L. Pervin as Leib Pervin.  As for the record of the Pervin in Toledo, Leib (Yahuda) Pervin, who arrived in Toledo in 1923, lived in Litin before his and his family's departure, which makes Uncle L. Pervin and Leib (Yahuda) Pervin the same man.

Ms. Tobisman has disclosed her family records were kept by her great-aunt, Betty, at the Tree VI in this web-site.  In that page she states that Leib (Nicholiaves) Pervin, grandfather to Isruel, father of five children, owned  "a large parcel of land  and 1st class citizenship" and a beet sugar factory called "Loznansky-sacharnizi Zarog" in the town of Bagrinovchy.  Bagrinovvchy is the town Leib (Leissa) Yahuda listed as his birthplace in his ship manifest.

Bernice (Pervin) Shapiro, the grand daughter to Yahuda confirmed that her grandfather in fact owned land and the beet sugar factory before they left for Toledo.  These records stated above show that the Pervins and the Porvins both share the same origin.

Both Bernice and Betty, the eldest among their family, recalled they once were addressing each other as "cousins."  Cindy Tobisman states that Isruel, her great grandfather did not inherit the land and the factory due to the fact that he was not the first born.  Leib Yahuda inherited them instead.  This means Isruel and Leib are brothers; the later being older.

Shmuel Pervin, son of Leib (Nicholiaves) Pervin and father of Isruel (Samuel) and Leib (Yahuda) had inherited the land because he also was the first born.  We do not know at this time yet how many children and brothers Shmuel  had.  But it is certain that the Pervins share Leib (Nicholiaves) Pervin as their oldest known ancestor, with the Porvins.

According to our archives,  Leib (Yahuda) fathered as many as 13 sons and daughters.  Among them, three sons and two daughters immigrated to Toledo.  Benno Pervin who was listed in Yahuda's ship manifest as one of the remaining sons stayed in Litin.  He can be speculated as a candidate who took over the management of the beet sugar factory after his parents left for Toledo in 1923.  However, there is an another conflicting story that Leib Yahuda had to give up the property to a gentile who took over the land and factory.